When would you BUG
 

I'm looking at Hugo and Caracas Venezuela and thinking, Would I Bug Out: with tanks in the streets and 1000s protesting.

I think I would but would it be to early? I could looses my job and income is required.

What would tip the scales in your mind that its getting dicey and time to move?

Electric-Amish

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That's the hardest part to call.
If you are too late you are screwed.
I bugged out in '99

I think you are going to have to have a few false starts or you aren't watching closely enough. I'm glad I'm not in DC or Chicago. I would never be able to sleep.

This TB thing has me wondering if we should leave the house tomorrow.

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The Y2K Bug out was done by my cousin and his group. They bought land and built an underground home big enough for 13 people.

Get this, the thing has sold a number of times and the price keeps going up.

TB scare==Not enough info for me, but I am watching.

E-A

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:sleepy13: It's much later then you seem to think EA. Maybe look around and re-evaluate?

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I'm beginning to think my Spidy Sense is stuck on tingle.

E-A

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I'm in a fairly rural area. There would not be much need for my family to bugout for anything less than worldwide SHTF, except if there was a very localized disaster (but unlikely). Otherwise, we are bugging in.

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Bugging in would be the best 1st choice in a lot of situations. That said if tanks are rolling down the street down town 10 miles from your house that changes the threat to a political and geographic threat. Which is best dealt with by not being in the area.

Just thoughts

E-A

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i'm bugged out, 18 miles from the nearest town, but if needed will bug out 2.5 hrs from here to bug infested hunting cabin, and if needed, and i sure the hell hope i dont need to, another buggy'er place than that 20 minutes away and one full day walk in (bring lots of bug repellent)

if it get worse than that i give the hell up cause i'll be dying of bug bites

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I have not followed that as I should be. Is it that serious?!?!

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Man do I empathize with that...

This past weekend I went camping deep in the Adirondacks - right at the height of the black fly season- and I got ~100 bites before I could build a fire and prop up a tent to take shelter. It's ridiculous! Oh and the bug repellent helped... for like 3 minutes!

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Dunno. But I'm sure we would not be told if it were.
Isn't it policy to not tell the people if 100 nukes were enroute to the US?

I just sit back and try to watch for early warnings. To successfully bug out if that be your situation, you can't be the last to the exit door. Need to be there first and that may mean a false start or two. Really tough to time if you have a job that you can't leave.

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Not sure what TB thing you're speaking of. Tuberculosis? :Sorry:

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TB on a Plane? Sign of the Times
By MIKE STOBBE
AP
ATLANTA (AP) - SARS on a plane. Mumps on a plane. And now a rare and deadly form of tuberculosis , on at least two planes. Commercial air travel's potential for spreading infection continues to cause handwringing among public health officials, as news of a jet-setting man with a rare and deadly form of TB demonstrates.

"We always think of planes as a vehicle for spreading disease," said Dr. Doug Hardy, an infectious disease specialist at UT Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas.

In the latest case, a Georgia man with extensively drug-resistant TB ignored doctors' advice and took two trans-Atlantic flights, leading to the first U.S. government-ordered quarantine since 1963.

The man, who officials did not identify, had been quarantined at Atlanta's Grady Memorial Hospital until Thursday morning, when he was transferred to Denver's National Jewish Hospital for treatment, Jewish Hospital spokesman William Allstetter said.

He walked into the building and said he felt fine, Allstetter said.

The hospital has treated two other patients with what appears to be the same strain of tuberculosis since 2000 and both improved enough to be released, according to Dr. Charles Daley, head of the infectious disease division at National Jewish.

"I think we're more optimistic than what we have been hearing in reports that we will be able to control this infection," Daley told CNN Thursday morning. "We're aiming for cure. We know it's an uphill battle."

The patient was not considered highly contagious, and there are no confirmed reports that his illness spread to other passengers.

But the case illustrates ongoing concerns about the public health perils of plane travel, as well as the continuing problem of Typhoid Mary-like individuals who can almost be counted on to do the wrong thing.

The man decided to proceed with a long-planned wedding trip despite being advised not to fly.

"There's always going to be situations where there is a lack of understanding and appreciation of responsibility to the community in a situation like this," said Dr. John Ho, an infectious diseases specialist at New York-Presbyterian Hospital/Weill Cornell Medical Center.

The case also points out weaknesses in the system: The man was able to re-enter the United States, even though he said he had been warned by federal officials that his passport was being flagged and he was being placed on a no-fly list.

CDC officials said they contacted the Department of Homeland Security to put the man on a no-fly list, but it doesn't appear he was added by the time he flew from Prague to Montreal and drove across the border from Canada.

A Transportation Security Administration spokesman could not be reached for comment Wednesday.

Challenges in coordinating with airlines and in communicating with the media also have emerged, said Glen Nowak, a spokesman for the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention .

"This clearly is going to have some relevance to our pandemic influenza preparedness," Nowak said.

There have been several prominent disease-on-a-plane incidents in recent years.

Perhaps best known is severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, which erupted in Asia in 2003. Over three months, CDC workers delayed on the tarmac 12,000 airplanes carrying 3 million passengers arriving from SARS-affected countries, isolating people with SARS symptoms.

Last year, CDC officials worked with airlines and state health departments to track two infected airline passengers who may have helped spread a mumps epidemic throughout the Midwest.

And in March, a flight from Hong Kong was held at Newark International Airport for two hours because some on board reported feeling ill from a flu-like illness. They were released when it became clear they had seasonal flu, and not an avian variety.

Medical experts say TB is significantly less contagious than flu, SARS and other maladies that have led to airport alerts.

"This is not as easily transmissible as what we're concerned about with a flu pandemic," said Dr. William Schaffner, chairman of the department of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University.

A more contagious bug, carried by a stubborn or evasive passenger, could be much more problematic, experts said.

It's remarkable how rarely serious contagions are on planes, Ho noted.

"If you count the number of international flights there are on a daily basis, this is really a minuscule event" in terms of rate of occurrence, he said.

"However, this underscores the interrelatedness of the global community. We can no longer escape things considered foreign" in this age of jet-travel, Ho said.

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about now. we're planning a slow bugout, going to buy a motorhome and take a gentle cruise over a few months down to the south of europe (from the north), end up in spain, intention of finding an organic farm/community/similar upon which to be bugged out. it's getting late in the day, i think.